Hmm, since agnostic refers to absence of knowledge, and atheism refers to absence of belief, if one claims no knowledge and also claims no belief but identifies as agnostic, are they not technicaly both agnostic and atheist? I’m under the impression that theism, or belief in god, is a perfect dichotomy? You either do or don’t, regardless of if you can or can’t (damn atheist trees!)
Neece’s Reply:
Hello and thanks for your comment. I just want to remind you that Atheist Hotline isn’t a debate forum. But that being said, yes, you can be both an agnostic and an atheist at the same time. I am not an expert in philosophy, but I would agree that you either believe in god or you don’t. And if you do, then you’re a theist of some persuasion. If you say you can’t know about the existence of god, then you’re agnostic. If you say that there is no god (for whatever reason: lack of evidence for example), then you’re an atheist.
For example, I am agnostic in that I can never know (by the very definition of god, by the nature of how we know as human creatures, etc) if there is a god. But, I am an atheist because I accept that even with that limitation there is zero evidence of any god. I would also have to add that I’m a skeptic and I require evidence and proof. Some atheists are not skeptics, some are. As a skeptic I also accept that there is zero evidence for any kind of supernatural. Everything we’ve discovered so far is completely natural. But there are some atheists, and theists of course, that believe in the supernatural.
here’s proof that evolution is real and happening right now
ok, seriously, i like proofs. what are your favorite proofs for atheism? or should i be asking for proofs that negate theism?
Thanks,
~Dave
Our initial reply:
Hi Dave,
Thanks for your submittal. I love cats doing cute and funny things. Of course a cat standing on her hind legs doesn’t really have anything to do with evolution.
Atheist Hotline isn’t about debating the nonexistence of god, but let’s see if any of us want to give our favorite proofs.
My reasoning is that there is zero evidence for anything supernatural of any kind in the entire universe. Everything in the universe so far can be explained through natural means. You can’t prove a negative, of course, so you can’t prove that there are no gods or the supernatural. But the overwhelming lack of evidence in all of scientific history pretty much shows that the universe is all natural. No gods needed!
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